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(Interviewed in Ann Arbor by John Behee. Rawls discusses growing up in Guyton Georgia and moving to Harrisburg, PA at age seventeen. his high school athletic experiences and the motivation and circumstances that got him to Trinidad Junior College in Colorado and to Michigan, his relationship with coach Cliff Keen and wrestling experience at U-M., reasons for so few black wrestlers at collegiate levels, relations with is teammates, comments on bias keeping Jim Betts from playing quarterback, the role of back coaches, cites Nat Turner as a hero as well as Martin Luther King.)